The fourth episode of the ⁠⁠⁠Islands of Kinship⁠⁠⁠ (IOK) podcast introduces the art practice of the Dutch artist Jonas Staal, who speaks about the newly created artwork commissioned within the IOK project: Propaganda Station and the contextual accompanying program titled Propaganda School.

First introduced at the City Gallery of Contemporary Art PLATO in Ostrava, Czech Republic as the exhibition by an international guest of the Jindřich Chalupecký Award in the autumn of 2023, the exhibition traveled to the Museum of Contemporary Art Skopje in North Macedonia. That is where the following conversation between Jonas Staal and Jana Brsakoska, the Social Inclusion and Ecological Sustainability Coordinator at the Faculty of things that can’t be learned took place in spring 2024.